Thanks for sharing David! This is fascinating.
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| Author: | Robbie O'Brien [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Thanks for sharing David! This is fascinating.
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| Author: | Dave Higham [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Hi David, I thought the following may be of interest, perhaps you already know about it. I posted a link to this thread on the forum of French luthier Benoît de Bretagne. http://www.benoit-de-bretagne.com/ Someone else added a message with a linkto Italian luthier Fabio Zontini who has also made a copy of the 'cardboard' guitar. http://www.zontiniguitars.com/site_file ... n_v02.html There seems to be no information on his website about this guitar (apart from a photo) but there is a link to a video of someone playing it on YouTube. I don't know if I can do the YouTube link thingummy but it sounded pretty good to me. [youtube]http://it.www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHJrqJEhob8[/youtube] Edit: No I obviously don't know how to do it |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Merci! |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar:COMPLETE! |
Well, aside from a few ongoing adjustments etc. the guitar is complete. Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 008.jpg Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 007.jpg Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 001.jpg Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 003.jpg Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 002.jpg Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 005.jpg Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 006.jpg Attachment: CardboardTorresXVIII 010.jpg For those of you who have the Grondona and Waldner book, I've taken a number of shots from similar angles. I'm pleased with the sound of this guitar and what is most surprising is that there were few surprises! It sounds quite good, though not much like a rosewood guitar....more akin to cypress or perhaps maple with an overall dryer quality and less sustain....now the hard part..!!..I'll work on getting a sound clip posted as soon as I can. Thanks to all for their input during this project! Best David http://www.guitarsbydavidlaplante.com/ |
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| Author: | Mike Collins [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
looks great Dave!!!!!!! ![[:Y:]](./images/smilies/smiley20.gif "Thumbs Up") Are you taking this to the GFA show in frisco? Mike |
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| Author: | Mike Collins [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
looks great Dave!!!!!!! Are you taking this to the GFA show in frisco? Mike |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Hi Mike, Well, I already have two guitars going for half a table of space so I think I'm at my limit.....!!...........but definitely to next years ASIA symposium and the 2009 GFA in Ithaca! (of course you are welcome to stop by and see it any time!!) Best |
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| Author: | SteveCourtright [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Bravo! Thanks for sharing this with us! Very very cool. |
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| Author: | pepevergara [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
David: My hat to you!! Wonderful job. I am desperately waiting for the sound clip. Thanks for sharing. |
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| Author: | Marc [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
I enjoyed following this build Dave-- amazing work. What's your next project? |
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| Author: | JimWomack [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
David, this has been a fascinating thread. I must say you've corrected a lot of misconceptions I had regarding the original Torres "paper maiche" guitar. Thanks for the education! |
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| Author: | Fiatlux [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
truly wonderful ! this is an amazing job ! I'm awaiting for a mp3 file ! Congratulations again. 
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| Author: | Kevin Gallagher [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
David, My oldest son was in Barcelona last year and was able to spend a little time with the guitar because a friend who had ballet that he'd directed opening there was also friends with a museum employee. He said that the guitar has a very thin tone with little substance to it even though it does create more sound than might be expected from the materials used to build it. He wasn;t allowed to photograph it for me even though he tried to persuade the museum crew to allow him to. He was impressed with the original work and the restoration work that had been done on it, but said that it was obvious by its tone that there was a lot missing from its construction. I look forward to seeing what your guitar sounds like when you complete it. Regards, Kevin Gallagher/Omega Guitars |
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| Author: | Alexandru Marian [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
According to Romanillos the guitar was repaired several times and now the top is less than 1mm in places! - myself I wouldn't even attempt to string it up to pitch! let alone play it and judge tone. I am sure a newly built one as long as the top is good and of normal thickness sounds good, not as sustaining and deep as a rosewood one, but good nevertheless. |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Kevin, Thanks for the info and your son's impressions of the guitar. There are some very good photos of it in the Gondona and Waldner book that I think may still be available from GSI. As I may have mentioned, my selection of cardboard stock differed from the original in that though the back was close (2.2 mm as compared to 1.8mm for the Torres). I used much heavier stock than he did for the sides. The presence in the original of added (according to Joshua French who examined the guitar along with Joan Pellise') slats every 3 cm or so for the the entire rim indicated to me that even Torres himself (or whoever subsequently had the work done) considered them too flimsy. It was an opportunity to eliminate all the additional stuff in the guitar and build it according to the original plan. What was also behind my choice of heavier stock was my own approach to the guaging of the back and sides of guitars in general and I chose a weight and density of cardboard that felt "right" to me according to my own experience and sensibilities. This approach made the project not only an interesting excercise in replicating a historic guitar but by extension an experiment useful to me as well. |
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| Author: | WaddyThomson [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
What a great thread this has been, David. I look forward to a sound clip of your guitar. |
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| Author: | Kevin Gallagher [ Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
David, The guitar looks great. I'm sure it was a fun project. I'm really looking forward to hearing some audio clips of it. I'd love to be able to get close to the original one day. Is it still in Barcelona...do you know? I'd love to visit there in the future since I'm a huge Gaudi enthusiast. Great job....in typical Dave LaPlante style. Regards, Kevin Gallagher/Omega Guitars |
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| Author: | CWLiu [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
David, Congratulations on this cardboard beauty!! Excellent job! |
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| Author: | collinsguitar [ Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Very interesting project. I can't wait to hear the sound clips. Michael www.collinsguitar.com |
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| Author: | occhuck [ Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
David, Have heard your cardboard guitar on another forum. Again, great sound, esp. in the trebles! Thanks for the documentation. Quoting Spock, "fascinating". P.s. I think you should give the guitar a Name. |
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| Author: | David LaPlante [ Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
Sound Clip link: http://www.guitarsbydavidlaplante.com/ |
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| Author: | Ventura Bill [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Torres Cardboard Guitar |
David, Waddy T pointed out your site to me and I am really intrigued to learn more about FE-14. Thank you for posting this. I am currently downloading the soundclip (anxiously) to see what it's voice is like. REgards, Ventura Bill |
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