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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:22 am 
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Top first to voice, then the back. I don't use reverse kerfing and yes, occasionally I have a little squeeze out visible. Better that than not enough glue. If some schmuck doesn't want my guitar because there are a few beads of glue visible, or a couple of chisel spikes in the top, instead of listening to the dang thing, then I'll be glad to sell it to someone else.

Years ago when I was apprenticing in repair at a shop in Pittsburgh, we had a customer who'd bought one of the Ibanez S Series thinbodied electrics (Floyd Rose tailpiece, two humbuckers and a center single coil). The client complained that the guitar wouldn't stay in tune. We worked on it, set it up and he wasn't satisfied. So we called Ibanez. Ibanez had us send it to them. Upon receiving it, they said there wasn't anything wrong with it. We agreed. So it came back. The customer wasn't satisfied. The customer's technique was to bend the strings all the way across the fingerboard (hence it going out of tune). We called Ibanez, who said, give them their money back. We don't want them having one of our guitars. Great lesson in customer service.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:11 am 
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I will say this,
since coming to this forum,
I do more sanding and clean up on the inside.
Thanks all!
The bar has been raised.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:43 am 
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I will say this,
since coming to this forum,
I do more sanding and clean up on the inside.
Thanks all!
The bar has been raised.
A little.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:06 pm 
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I actually prefer the look of chiseled braces r/t the completely smoothed and rounded look of braces that have been sanded extensively. I guess it's just a different aesthetic. I would love to be able to build a guitar without ever touching it with sandpaper.

BTW, I recently saw Christopher Scwhartz take a piece of walnut from roughsawn to mirror smooth in less time than you could sand it smooth - and the surface looked way better than a sanded surface. I wish I could do that on my guitars.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:09 pm 
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What the!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:39 am 
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Filippo Morelli wrote:
HHGG … brilliant, Waddy!

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Not me! The honor goes to Marcus! [clap]

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:21 pm 
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walnut47 wrote:
I actually prefer the look of chiseled braces r/t the completely smoothed and rounded look of braces that have been sanded extensively. I guess it's just a different aesthetic. I would love to be able to build a guitar without ever touching it with sandpaper.

BTW, I recently saw Christopher Scwhartz take a piece of walnut from roughsawn to mirror smooth in less time than you could sand it smooth - and the surface looked way better than a sanded surface. I wish I could do that on my guitars.
Walter


I did build a guitar using only a scraper, the last classical one I built. IT was actually not too bad at all except I had a hard time scraping the spruce top because it left ridges in it along the annular rings. But I finished it like that anyway and it's pretty cool.

Well to be fair, I did use a planner and drum sander to get my dimensions close. And I cheated a bit and sanded between coats of finish in spots that I just couldn't scrape.

Tell ya what... I know how to sharpen a scraper after that experience :)


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:26 pm 
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Markus Schmid wrote:
WaddyThomson wrote:
I went by Dream Guitars last week, and Paul Heumiller was telling me that he could send a $20,000 guitar to some guy, and he would call and tell him how great the guitar looked and sounded, then he would say, "But, there's this glue inside!" Point being he'd been inside the guitar with a mirror and a light looking for glue squeezeout.

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I'd bet that the same guy would pay big bucks for a glob of glue with an original Torres guitar "attached to it". :lol:

This is the top of Torres' SE83:
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Torres_SE83-Romanillos_ISBN_0-933224-93-1_p119-2010_A80_8716.jpg

Right over the HHGGs (Hot Hide Glue Globs) there is one of the back braces which Torres glued to the rim before closing the box by putting the back on. When applying HHG to the rim and braces, some glue must have been fallen off Torre's glue brush. As Torres built with the solera, the back braces added quite a bit of rigidness to the box in order the back could be put on by the rope-method without worrying the whole thing would deform in some way when applying pressure.

I can't figure out what part of the guitar body we are looking at there?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:59 pm 
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That's the termination of the closing brace and the outside fan brace.

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