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 Post subject: Re: Green Martin Guitar
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:34 pm 
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Hi Kent, I see from your website that you have green links, this is good to see.
As for using rain forest timbers for musical instuments I do not see this as the problem as it is only a small amount of the timber used around the world.
Regards Robert
Kent Chasson wrote:
Todd Stock wrote:
Mock and disparage? Mmm...thought we were discussing the issue.


Not sure what he was referring to but the kool-aid remark sounded mocking and/or disparaging to me. Maybe I misunderstood.

Todd Stock wrote:
On the timber issue, I've spent a good deal of time in both the Amazonian river basin and upland forest areas of Columbia, Ecuador, or other countries ...


For backs, sides, and necks, there are plenty of alternatives to rain forest wood, many that are already market accepted, some that are sustainable by any definition, and more are becoming accepted all the time. I'm more concerned about top wood.

Todd Stock wrote:
... a one-size-fits-all solution built around elimination of human activity is just plain silly....


Not sure what you mean.

Todd Stock wrote:
Having sat in on more than a few contract proposal meetings where we tried to lever in 'Green' and 'Environmental Impact Reductions' as often as possible, I would prefer to be somewhat less well informed as to just how little impact we have for dollars spent, and thus, perhaps a little happier in abundant ignorance.


Who's "we"?

Yes, greed is hard to overcome. And the realistic and pragmatic use of money and our personal energy should be a priorty.

Like entropy (or a buffing wheel), it takes a lot more energy to build something than to ruin it. But if nothing else, those of us who build guitars are persitent. One of my goals is to start bringing that persistence to a critical look at the way I use resources. Seems like this is an appropriate place to talk about that.


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 Post subject: Re: Green Martin Guitar
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:42 pm 
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Good to see discussion on these topics and good to see Martin making an attempt to change their ways. Whether marketing or a genuine attempt to change, in a hundred years this style of guitar will be the norm and only the very rich will be able to afford a solid wood guitar as we know it today. There will be another 4 billion people on earth by then.
One of humans biggest failings is our inability to accept the consequences of our collective actions. Whether deforestation or climate change or pollution, we can ignore the warnings for a while, but we can't avoid the consequences.
Dom


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 Post subject: Re: Green Martin Guitar
PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:11 am 
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Hi Dominic, As you were saying it is good to see a discussion like this going on the forum.
I had a couple of meeting here in Tasmanian island state of Australia last year with Rick Turner, & I have spoke with alot of luthier's the past 2 years and things will change, there is many alternative timbers out there including many here in Australia that if used will take some of the pressure off the other species and Taylor guitars are allready using tasmanian blackwood, and if the luthiers of the world were only do do business with companys that encouraged replanting, well we will get there I hope, that is what keeps me going hope.
Regards Robert
Dominic Regan wrote:
Good to see discussion on these topics and good to see Martin making an attempt to change their ways. Whether marketing or a genuine attempt to change, in a hundred years this style of guitar will be the norm and only the very rich will be able to afford a solid wood guitar as we know it today. There will be another 4 billion people on earth by then.
One of humans biggest failings is our inability to accept the consequences of our collective actions. Whether deforestation or climate change or pollution, we can ignore the warnings for a while, but we can't avoid the consequences.
Dom


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