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 Post subject: WOOD IDENTIFICATION
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:18 am 
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Hi, help, What is this wood? I receive this wood Laminated 14 pcs couple years ago..
Maybe good for Strat model? thanks


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Not a very focused photo, but the color makes me think cherry.

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to me the grain structure is too pronounced to be cherry, and if it was glued up years ago then it should be really dark with patina by now

it is definitely an unfocused image and impossible to discern any real details, and I suspect the color is off also

considering we're talking about a user who's in Indonesia I'd think it was some sort of wood from that locale as opposed to a North American wood like cherry


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Looks like ash to me, but the pic isnt good enough to be certain.

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Hi Herry,
There are so many trees in the world whose wood looks similar to others that it is difficult to identify them from a picture. If the wood is a species domestic to Malaysia then a local sawyer or timber merchant may be a better source for identification.
Another resource may be the Wood Data base website: https://www.wood-database.com/ It has pictures and lists the characteristics of many different species.



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 Post subject: Re: WOOD IDENTIFICATION
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The color is pale yellow. Dimension 14x21" weight=3.800g


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Looks like Red Oak to me.
The laminations have no matching grain. I would only use it if the project was painted.

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I thought earlier “guesses” were silly, as the original photo was really poor quality. Now with a clearer pic, I’m tempted to agree with Aaron Hix — most likely ash.

Another photo could easily confirm. Use a very sharp block plane or chisel to clean off a portion of end grain — the early-wood portion of each ring in ash will have large-diameter vessels, easily seen with the naked eye, so-called ring porous. Both ash and oak are ring porous, but oaks have significant ray figure on the radial surface — i see none in your picture. Ash is the most likely alternative that is ring porous, and a popular choice for solid-body electrics.


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Indonesia and ash? How about Sen?

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Just based on appearance, that could easily be paulownia / empress wood.


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I think Josh is on to something.

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herry tze wrote:
The color is pale yellow. Dimension 14x21" weight=3.800g


Unless we are looking at a piece of veneer 3.800g doesn't seem right. Kg perhaps? We will also need the thickness to compute the Specific Gravity.

Another guess might be Ailanthus integrifolia , a species native to Malaysia, or another species of Ailanthus which can be found worldwide. They grow fast and tall and are not deeply rooted, so blow over and block the only access road I have to leave the Hollow. gaah

http://adamcottrill.ca/material/ailanthus
The article lists some colloquial names that are less flattering than "Tree of Heaven", but I've heard worse....


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In order to calculate density, we need accurate dimensions that include thickness.
I assume you meant 3800 grams, which is around 8.4 pounds.
Paulownia or other ash-like wood is my guess (pending a density calculation). It is not oak, as there are no aggregate rays visible.

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John Arnold wrote:
In order to calculate density, we need accurate dimensions that include thickness.
I assume you meant 3800 grams, which is around 8.4 pounds.
Paulownia or other ash-like wood is my guess (pending a density calculation). It is not oak, as there are no aggregate rays visible.


THE DIMENSION IS: 35.5 x 53.5cm [ 13.97"x 21.06"] depth 4.5cm [1.77"]
weight 3.800g [3.8kg] [8.4pounds}
color yellow pale almost white
my plan is build stratocaster with paint finishing..
my question with much laminated is affect the tone? sounding good or not? nthanks


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I'm going to join others and think this is ash (north american)

tone is such a subjective subject...

I've got a 30 year old made in Korea Strat Squire...its body is plywood, though you can't tell because the metallic white paint job is so good...sounds fine to me with the expected brightness associated with a maple neck/fretboard...certainly not awesome, but fine enough and it does what I bought it for, which is a strat sound

I'm thinking you're going to have more issues with glue lines telegraphing through the finish than tone problems...tone/sound on an electric is primarily driven by pickups and strings...PRIMARILY...everything else makes a difference no matter what idiots say woods have absolutely no effect...


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everything else makes a difference no matter what idiots say woods have absolutely no effect...


Yuppers. It's the whole chain - from the players fingers or pick all the way through the speaker cone. Turn a knob here, change your attack, etc. Ted Nugent once asked Edward Van Halen if he could play through his rig. Edward obliged. Ted was surprised to find out.... he still sounded like Ted.

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Subtracting a suitable amount for the length, I get a specific gravity of 0.504, or 31.4 pounds per cubic foot.
That is lighter in weight than most domestic ash, except for pumpkin ash (AKA swamp ash). Ailanthus is similar to pumpkin ash in density.

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everything else makes a difference no matter what idiots say woods have absolutely no effect...


I believe the primary sonic effect of the solid body guitar wood is due to the weight. You cannot convince me that extra glue joints in the body are audible. I have built acoustic guitars with multi-piece tops, from 4 up to 10 pieces.

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John Arnold wrote:
Subtracting a suitable amount for the length, I get a specific gravity of 0.504, or 31.4 pounds per cubic foot.
That is lighter in weight than most domestic ash, except for pumpkin ash (AKA swamp ash). Ailanthus is similar to pumpkin ash in density.

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everything else makes a difference no matter what idiots say woods have absolutely no effect...


I believe the primary sonic effect of the solid body guitar wood is due to the weight. You cannot convince me that extra glue joints in the body are audible. I have built acoustic guitars with multi-piece tops, from 4 up to 10 pieces.


??

I said the glue joints might (actually most likely will) telegraph through the painted finish at some point...I made no mention of any effect on tone


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My mistake. Your statement I quoted is not clear to me.
I thought you were saying that everything has an effect.

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