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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:21 pm 
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I'm just about done with my shop and it's time to buy a cyclone vacuum system - I think.

I primarily want a system that will pick up mounds of shavings quickly.

Any advice on brands and models?
Maybe a cyclone system isn't the best type of system to pick up piles of shavings?

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http://www.woodweb.com/exchanges/machin ... 40067.html

Saw this on the woodweb used machinery forum the other day. I have this same cyclone and a torit/donaldson. The griz is an equal at half the $. Mine is hooked up to a number of machines including a 24" planer and an 18" variety saw and has never had a problem. T


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:25 pm 
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Maybe you could be more specific about how you will use it?
By shavings do you mean like a planer, or hand plane shavings?

Personally, I love my Oneida.


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go lo tech.... dustpan and broom.
I often find shavings clog my shop vac


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Hands down the ClearVue.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:41 pm 
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Brock Poling wrote:
Hands down the ClearVue.


Your timing is impeccable, Brock. :) They are going out of business unless a buyer is found.

http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/

I'm wanting something that will pick up large mounds of wood shavings created with a cnc mill. We are talking about piles the size of a small snowdrift here. You can't really build an effective shroud to attach to the spindle so the shavings must be picked up after cutting.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if a standard, run of the mill cyclonic vacuum system is powerful enough to injest shavings at a resonable clip. I know that any system will pick them up. I'm sort of wondering how fast?....if that's something that anyone can characterize for me.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:07 pm 
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At first I could not figure out why you would want to suck up a pile of shavings the size of a small snowdrift, but then I realized from where I come from we may have a much different definition of small snowdrift. :)

I have an Oneida V-3000 and it will suck up a pile of shavings fast. I would be more concerned about where all those shavings are going, as it could become a pain dumping the bin depending on how much shavings your making.
You might want to consider building a separator. A friend of mine built one for his cyclone that is about eight feet high and three feet wide and deep, the system still works pretty well and holds an awful pile of shavings.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:28 pm 
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If you haven't found it through the Clearvue site, this is a good resource. http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm

Sounds like they are selling kits while while clearvue is out of business.

If not a shroud, are you talking about manually vacuuming the shavings after the CNC does it's thing?

I've been looking at the Grizzly too. The price sure is attractive. I'm trying to figure out how I can plumb one to work in a small outbuilding and vent the return air back into the shop, maybe through some extra filtration. In addition to the big machines, I seem to make small amounts of dust all over the shop and would love to figure out a way to make all my workspaces into downdraft tables that were quiet enough to run for extended periods.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:32 am 
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Another vote for Oneida - you might give them a call and talk to them, they're very helpful. If nothing else you should be able to learn what you're going to need to get the job done.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:02 am 
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I have a Grizzly unit. While it does handle large volume of dust and air flow , the filer unit is $250 and must be replaced in my shop about once a year. The filter will block up with fines. I can take it off and hose it out but you only get a few more months. It is sad to hear Clearview going out as i wanted to get one.
Question your supplier about the filtration and how long they last ,it is one question I didn't ask.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:15 am 
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Another one for Oneida. I pull dust and shavings 20 ft from my jointer, 16-32 sander and bandsaw. Have had it for 15 years.


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Todd Stock wrote:
Adding a separator to a cyclone is sort of silly in my view - that's what the cyclone does for you already...separate chips and dust before the air flows through the impeller. Adding an additional separation stage prior to the cyclone just reduces the efficiency of that process, requiring a larger unit for the same performance at point of use. The better solution is to go to larger drums (55 gallon) and empty them more often.


I wouldn't add one to mine. After three months my small bin is only 1/3 full. However my friend with the separator can fill it up in a week. The system is still efficient (even with his 2 HP) and the bin only gets the fine dust so it rarely needs to be emptied. Perhaps that decreases what makes it to the filter even further?
If you have height to consider you may not be able to get a big drum under the cyclone, I know he couldn't, and the separator makes it very easy to handle all the shavings.


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You guys (and Kim) are very helpful.

Love this site......thanks guys.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:51 pm 
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I am no doubt in agreement with you that its far better not to have one. Like I said, would not do it myself.
I only brought it up for consideration because Stuart said he had very large amounts of shavings to pick up.

As for buddy's shop, I have allergies and before I purchased my DC I couldn't go in my shop without a mask. His place does not seem to be any problem for me without a mask, so I do not think its that bad. Although I am not sure how much the super fine stuff affects that.


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